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You can't say that AMD is ever boring. The company says its next-generation Bulldozer CPU core will take a unique approach to computing that goes beyond Hyper-Threading, which some believe could offer phenomenal performance.

Bulldozer makes a fairly big break from how today's multicores are constructed. Today's dual-, quad-, and hexa-cores are based on single-cores strung together. They can share L2 or L3 cache, but generally are partitioned off from each other. With Bulldozer, the basic building block of a multi-core chip changes from a walled off single core to more of a duplex. Two cores are tightly intertwined and share fetch, decode, floating-point scheduler, and dual 128-bit fused-multiply-accumulate units, or FPUs. AMD says each module includes dedicated integer schedulers, pipelines, and L1 cache.

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This, AMD says, is far superior to Intel's Hyper-Threading, which can bog down when the same resources are under load.

Hyper-Theading was introduced by Intel in 2002 and takes a single-core and shares its resources by creating a virtual core. In the Pentium 4 days, HT added a 10 to 15 percent performance increase, and in Core i7 chips, performance can be boosted 20 to 25 percent depending on the application.

Just adding dedicated, partitioned cores is a "brute force" approach that wastes resources, AMD says. With its shared resources, Bulldozer can reduce power consumption and shrink the die size, which in turn lowers the cost to produce the chip. AMD says the server version of its Bulldozer chip should deliver 33 percent more cores and a 50 percent increase in "throughput" in the same power envelope as a 12-core Magny-Cours Opteron chip.

"One of the important things here is that Bulldozer is one of the first all-new designs from AMD in a decade," says analyst Nathan Brookwood of Insight 64. Brookwood says one of the more exciting design changes in Bulldozer is its ability to dynamically reallocate resources on single-threaded tasks. On a traditional dual-core, the resources for each walled off core cannot be combined. In Bulldozer, all of the resources of the module can be thrown at it a thread.

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"The single-core performance on some floating-point applications is going to be mind-boggling," Brookewood says.

AMD officials say Bulldozer is being targeted at servers and performance desktop machines. The good news is that Bulldozer will be drop-in compatible with most current high-end servers. The bad news is that it won't be compatible with existing AM3 boards. Instead, AMD says it will introduce a new AM3+ socket. These sockets will be backward compatible with older chips so you could drop a Phenom II X6 in it. According to AMD, Bulldozer will be built on a new 32nm process at Global Foundries.

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Who's excited? Now I have some debating to do - build a new powerful computer now, build a budget computer now until Bulldozer is in full swing, or wait...

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Decisions decisions decisions decisions

I know, right? One reason I'm really considering waiting is we seem to be at the end of a lot of product's life cycles.

Specifically:

New Intel SSDs - Q4 2010/2011

New ATI GPUs - Q4 2010/2011

New nVidia GPUs - Soon?

New Intel CPUs - Q4 2010/2011

New AMD CPUs - Q4 2010/2011

New Motherboards to accompany the new CPUs

Am I forgetting anything?

WAit for the bulldozer, If I do upgrade in a bit, I might opt in for one depending on its performance vs i5's

I would imagine the performance of the enthusiast models will be more comparable to the upcoming i7s...

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However it is supposed to be coming out before Bulldozer and it is supposably ahead of schedule. Hmph, go figure. Also AMD has always lacked behind so I don't know why you think some AMD chip is going to be preferred.

Sandy Bridge >>>>>>>>

Interesting statement since as far as I know there is even less information available about Sandy Bridge...

EDIT: AMd is only good because its economical. Intel is good because it actually has a good product. It has nothing to do about quality but the fact that AMD has to have a cheap product because their chips are of lesser quality than the i7's or whatever the case may be. AMD is therefore forced to drop prices and talk about how cheap and economical their products are compared to Intel who just advertises their quality regardless of price because Intel / any smart company knows computer enthusiasts are going to pay top dollar anyway. Following this attitude, AMD will never be at the top as it was a few years ago.

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However it is supposed to be coming out before Bulldozer and it is supposably ahead of schedule. Hmph, go figure. Also AMD has always lacked behind so I don't know why you think some AMD chip is going to be preferred.
Sandy Bridge >>>>>>>>

Interesting statement since as far as I know there is even less information available about Sandy Bridge...

EDIT: AMd is only good because its economical. Intel is good because it actually has a good product. It has nothing to do about quality but the fact that AMD has to have a cheap product because their chips are of lesser quality than the i7's or whatever the case may be. AMD is therefore forced to drop prices and talk about how cheap and economical their products are compared to Intel who just advertises their quality regardless of price because Intel / any smart company knows computer enthusiasts are going to pay top dollar anyway. Following this attitude, AMD will never be at the top as it was a few years ago.

Implying AMD does not produce a "good" "quality" product.

Intel...Christ I don't even feel like going to go there.

Anyways considering Global Foundries will now be manufacturing all AMD chips I think things might get a little more interesting then they have been.

On a side note: Being the miser that I am, I just find it rather foolish to build a $4,000 Intel rig when you can build a $1,000 Amd rig that will do the same thing nearly as well.

You can only turn the graphics settings up so high regardless hardware.

Who gives a fuck if your encode took 17 seconds longer.

You'll probably just be downloading porn 90% on the time anyways so with the money you save you can buy more lotion.

You'll eventually realize that you hate yourself that much less because you decided to support the little guy.

;)

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A Nissan Altima has the same ability to drive you somewhere as a BMW.

However it is supposed to be coming out before Bulldozer and it is supposably ahead of schedule. Hmph, go figure. Also AMD has always lacked behind so I don't know why you think some AMD chip is going to be preferred.
Sandy Bridge >>>>>>>>

Interesting statement since as far as I know there is even less information available about Sandy Bridge...

EDIT: AMd is only good because its economical. Intel is good because it actually has a good product. It has nothing to do about quality but the fact that AMD has to have a cheap product because their chips are of lesser quality than the i7's or whatever the case may be. AMD is therefore forced to drop prices and talk about how cheap and economical their products are compared to Intel who just advertises their quality regardless of price because Intel / any smart company knows computer enthusiasts are going to pay top dollar anyway. Following this attitude, AMD will never be at the top as it was a few years ago.

Implying AMD does not produce a "good" "quality" product.

Intel...Christ I don't even feel like going to go there.

Anyways considering Global Foundries will now be manufacturing all AMD chips I think things might get a little more interesting then they have been.

On a side note: Being the miser that I am, I just find it rather foolish to build a $4,000 Intel rig when you can build a $1,000 Amd rig that will do the same thing nearly as well.

You can only turn the graphics settings up so high regardless hardware.

Who gives a fuck if your encode took 17 seconds longer.

You'll probably just be downloading porn 90% on the time anyways so with the money you save you can buy more lotion.

You'll eventually realize that you hate yourself that much less because you decided to support the little guy.

;)

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make it a mercedez, the analogy still stands. And you this is true, it doesn't matter what type of car I use for an example, there is nt a single person on this site who if they could afford a mercedez are not going to buy it because a fucking Honda works just as well. That is absolute bullshit. If you live that style then have fun at Goodwill buying all of your clothes because they also keep you warm.

IamNumbdaone you just got done making a thread about how you want to spend some insane amount of money on a cmputer that you probably wont be using to that potential anyway for the 2k$+ you are spending. Dont be a hypocrit

Also how the fuck do you think AMD is the "little guy"? Maybe if there is some company / start up that produces 100 chips a year, MAYBE that would hold valid, however you are still talking about a fucking huge company. Get off your own dick bitch

Assuming BMW represents Intel, than that is a good analogy...because BMW is also overpriced shit.

Edit: Grammar.

;)

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make it a mercedez, the analogy still stands. And you this is true, it doesn't matter what type of car I use for an example, there is nt a single person on this site who if they could afford a mercedez are not going to buy it because a fucking Honda works just as well. That is absolute bullshit. If you live that style then have fun at Goodwill buying all of your clothes because they also keep you warm.

IamNumbdaone you just got done making a thread about how you want to spend some insane amount of money on a cmputer that you probably wont be using to that potential anyway for the 2k$+ you are spending. Dont be a hypocrit

Also how the fuck do you think AMD is the "little guy"? Maybe if there is some company / start up that produces 100 chips a year, MAYBE that would hold valid, however you are still talking about a fucking huge company. Get off your own dick bitch

Assuming BMW represents Intel, than that is a good analogy...because BMW is also overpriced shit.

Edit: Grammar.

;)

Wow, someone gets riled up really easily. What you clearly failed to understand is that the thumbs up was directed at the statement that BMW is overpriced shit. Currently the i7 clock for clock is the fastest processor around, but the fact that you're trying to make comparisons about the two models that don't exist yet is outrageous...

Oh and AMD is the little guy in the processor world.

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make it a mercedez, the analogy still stands. And you this is true, it doesn't matter what type of car I use for an example, there is nt a single person on this site who if they could afford a mercedez are not going to buy it because a fucking Honda works just as well. That is absolute bullshit. If you live that style then have fun at Goodwill buying all of your clothes because they also keep you warm.

IamNumbdaone you just got done making a thread about how you want to spend some insane amount of money on a cmputer that you probably wont be using to that potential anyway for the 2k$+ you are spending. Dont be a hypocrit

Also how the fuck do you think AMD is the "little guy"? Maybe if there is some company / start up that produces 100 chips a year, MAYBE that would hold valid, however you are still talking about a fucking huge company. Get off your own dick bitch

Assuming BMW represents Intel, than that is a good analogy...because BMW is also overpriced shit.

Edit: Grammar.

;)

derp. I would not buy a Mercedes if I had the money.

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Im sure. Just because youre poor now and cant fathom having money, blah blah blah, i get it

make it a mercedez, the analogy still stands. And you this is true, it doesn't matter what type of car I use for an example, there is nt a single person on this site who if they could afford a mercedez are not going to buy it because a fucking Honda works just as well. That is absolute bullshit. If you live that style then have fun at Goodwill buying all of your clothes because they also keep you warm.

IamNumbdaone you just got done making a thread about how you want to spend some insane amount of money on a cmputer that you probably wont be using to that potential anyway for the 2k you are spending. Dont be a hypocrit

Also how the fuck do you think AMD is the "little guy"? Maybe if there is some company / start up that produces 100 chips a year, MAYBE that would hold valid, however you are still talking about a fucking huge company. Get off your own dick bitch

Assuming BMW represents Intel, than that is a good analogy...because BMW is also overpriced shit.

Edit: Grammar.

;)

derp. I would not buy a Mercedes if I had the money.

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make it a mercedez, the analogy still stands. And you this is true, it doesn't matter what type of car I use for an example, there is nt a single person on this site who if they could afford a mercedez are not going to buy it because a fucking Honda works just as well. That is absolute bullshit. If you live that style then have fun at Goodwill buying all of your clothes because they also keep you warm.

IamNumbdaone you just got done making a thread about how you want to spend some insane amount of money on a cmputer that you probably wont be using to that potential anyway for the 2k$+ you are spending. Dont be a hypocrit

Also how the fuck do you think AMD is the "little guy"? Maybe if there is some company / start up that produces 100 chips a year, MAYBE that would hold valid, however you are still talking about a fucking huge company. Get off your own dick bitch

Assuming BMW represents Intel, than that is a good analogy...because BMW is also overpriced shit.

Edit: Grammar.

:pileon:

derp. I would not buy a Mercedes if I had the money.

I'd get a bmw M6..

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